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Fringe Sneak Peek & Scenemaker: 320 "The Last Sam Weiss"

      Email Post       4/26/2011 09:14:00 PM      

Here's a new sneak peek plus some BTS footage and cast interview. It contains HUGE Spoilers.

55 Comments:

cortexifan said...

Is it Friday yet?

JDunham said...

Saddly, not yet :(

Anonymous said...

Wonderful, let's give Olivia even MORE credit. Peter's the bad guy and Olivia is the perfect little angel who can do no wrong and can save our world.

No thanks. I'm done.

Daniel said...

Again, don't jump to conclusions. Who says Sam didn't create a forgery of the document? Who says Olivia has any business trying to stop the machine? Her nose didn't bleed when Peter's did, and the machine didn't react to her presence in any way.

Give it a chance before criticizing the producers on what appears to be...

FringeFrogee said...

Jumping the gun some what Anonymous.

Could it not be that because Walternate has manipulated the machine on his side, the Peter connection has been warped slightly – some trace of Faux in Henry's blood. The drawing doesn't seem to be a exact replica of Peters, maybe Olivia's input allows Peter to access the machine as he was actually intended to do, by syphoning off or replicating Faux's connection.

Anonymous said...

Oh, my. I never, ever imagined the possibility of another machine, never mind Olivia also being destined to have her fate tied with one of those machines.

Kim said...

@ Anonymous - If you don't want to watch anymore, then don't. How about see how things turn out before you go bashing Olivia or the story.

Anonymous said...

OMG!!!! I.CAN.NOT.WAIT

PS: I don't think it's about giving Olivia 'more' credit. I think that from the start it's been about (and i know it's gonna sound cheesy) Olivia and Peter complementing eachother. They are sort of one anothers catalyst to activating their abilities.
If u think way back when Olivia was 'activated' by to turning the lil light bulbs/bomb off with her mind, she was able to do it 'cause Peter went back and was there with her.
Peter was also the only one who could calm her down when she was under the lights/hypnosis just by touching her hand. Olivia's trigger to access her ability of seeing the other side was Peter again... can you see where I'm coming from??

FringeFrogee said...

Aren't they also missing a piece on this side (Faux took), perhaps Olivia is a replacement part! Olivia gets used a lot, being a replacement part wouldn't be too unusual.

Daniel, perhaps Walter's comment about Olivia's mind is relevant, though not as obviously as it seems in the video. As Olivia mind set has been changed (in LSD episode), maybe now she is 'equipped' to do her part with the machine.

I still think the fact they didn't just take and use a sample of Peter's blood over there is important. Not like they didn't have an opportunity to take his DNA etc, so the fact they've done it with Henry's some how has to have changed the way the machine is working. So rather than Peter being bad or wrong, maybe he's just not the full equation anymore thanks to Walternate.

Be a nice play on Walter supposedly causing the problems, if Walternate mucks up the machine causing something that wasn't supposed to happen in that way.

Anonymous said...

Hmm, so the Observers have a drawing of Peter and the First People have a drawing of Olivia. Don't know what to make of that.

Daniel said...

FringeFrogee,

I actually think that Olivia will accomplish something with the machine, either because of the "crowbar" or her cortexi-powers. I just hate it when folks bash a series based on a spoiler. I'm just dying to know which side is destroyed. We may know as early as Friday, based on some of the videos we've seen today....

Anonymous said...

The writers have treated peter like crap all season long. First with the Olivia switch, then Olivia and her fauxlivia drama, then peter killing the shapeshifters and now she is part of the machine? I hate seeing peter undermined because of her!

Anonymous said...

Or maybe Sam is the guy from her mind who is going to try and kill her!

Anonymous said...

At the very end, is that Peter standing behind her?

FringeFrogee said...

Know what you mean Daniel, especially a show like this. The teasers are exactly that, nothing is as it seems from seeing them, or what you might expect from what you've seen in previous episodes, so I'm not sure how or why people make such strong judgement calls on that basis. I don't think we'll see the end of the personal fall out for some time yet, so you have to have a commitment to sticking it out and seeing where it goes.

I had some concerns with the arc this series, things I wasn't sure about and/or didn't like much (I missed the old X Files type elements in the big picture), but I've enjoyed it more and more as we went along and am excited to see what direction we go next season.

If I wanted predictable characters (with no shades of grey or sinister black or hidden agendas) I wouldn't be watching this show...and I would presume Joshua wouldn't have so much fun playing Peter if he wasn't exploring different aspects of the his personality or the weird things that happen to him.

The great thing about this show is the strength of the characters and actors as a group, they are all important in their own way, as a story we don't get to see all of that in one go – it evolves as they do.

FringeFrogee said...

At the end...

Yes anonymous it looks like it is Peter to me.

real.one said...

What a lovely way that they took , it makes sense , s1 Olivia can switch the light and Peter was stand at her side , William Bell said to her you must have Peter at your side to save the world .

I didn't imagine that there will be another machine , but I think it's the same machine and Olivia is looking to it and Peter beside her so the color did change from black to white .

Am always saying Olivia and Peter together will save the worlds ,

The machine rejected Peter because Olivia wasn't there with him , at the first time the machine reacted to him cuz Olivia was there beside him ,

Both Olivia and Peter can save all the worlds .

Real1

real.one said...

To Annon April 26, 2011 10:47 PM :

The Observer gave Olivia the drawing of Peter because I think that they are knowing that Olivia will bring him back to her side because they are knowing her fate too .

Imagine after all of that .... Peter will destroy the blue ??

Real1

Anonymous said...

They just killed the buzz (mine) with that promo. I get that Olivia is the main character and that's why this season has been about her and the other her for the most part, but why can't Peter have a significant part in this show?

I don't consider that being a love interest is enough. I was happy that they had finally given him his own stuff to do and I have enjoyed seeing him trying to rebel against his destiny and flailing around. That was his journey and I was looking forward to see him succeed or fail. All for nothing. This was Olivia's story all along. WTF? Why can't they never give him anything to do, other than standing behind Olivia all the time?

Anonymous said...

LOL... I don't know why, but some of the comments just make me wanna poke my toungue out and say 'cause chicks kick ass too!... SOOOO much negativity when we DON'T know what the story IS yet... geez, just trust the writers and the show. Despite your opinion about Olivia, you obviously like the show or you wouldn't bother watching or participating in Fringe forums.

Anonymous said...

My opinion of Olivia doesn't have anything to do with this. Yes, she kicks ass, she has proved it for 3 seasons. She didn't need anybody to save her, because she has been depicted from the beginning as the lone hero. That is fine, because there aren't that many shows out there, where the hero is a female, although there has been a trend for the past few years to have females as the ones, who save the day and I say, more of that, please.

My problem is that while Olivia and Walter have had their own storylines and those have been explored in depth, as they should be, Peter's only storyline in 3 seasons has been the machine. Now that's been taken from him. The writers don't even care to hide their lack of interest in Peter, who is, in case they forgot, one of the three main characters. This is just awful.

real.one said...

For all the annon , which IMO are the same poster , Olivia's character was from s1 the main character who's reunite Walter and Peter again , and the strongest with a ability .

Bell and Walter prepared the cortixkids so they can defend the blue world after the mess that Walter did it by taking Peter from the other side .

I agree with Annon April 27, 2011 3:04 AM , that Olivia's character is one of the best lead character over the TV history .

the destiny is linking with Olivia and Peter , you cant create something without it female and male i think . at TVSpoiler i said maybe Adam & Eve = Peter and Olivia , so it's make sense .

Olivia can prepare the machine to let Peter drive it , where is the problem there ? I don't know .

I am not seeing that there is a negativity for what's coming up .. it's all from one poster .

Real1

trent said...

Real1, the last 2 anon posts were mine. I'm sorry I forgot to sing my posts, I will from now on.

I get that Olivia is the main character, but she's not the only one. Peter was supposed to be a main character, too, but I'm afraid, the writers don't care about him and I have to accept it. That's my beef. They're only writing for Olivia now and for Walter, when they remember he exists.

Olivia hasn't needed Peter in her adventures most of the time. She has been on her own, saving herself and saving everybody without needing Peter by her side most of the time and that's fine. Why can't Peter have his own story, too?

I repeat, the machine was Peter's only storyline in 3 seasons, the rest has been all about Olivia and Walter. Why is it so wrong to also want Peter to have his own storyline?

real.one said...

To Trent ...

Since S1 we saw that there is a connection between Peter and Olivia but we don't know how , he can calm her .. he can give her a strongest to resist what ever , in s2 he was always with her even in s2ep1 .. she was waking up when he was beside her , and in s3 his projection was the one who was telling her to fight and go home .

The story is not about Peter alone or Olivia alone , the story is about the both of them, Olivia is the one who can see throooo Peter as Peter is the one who's giving Olivia the strongest to fight for her self .

Revealing now that Olivia has something with the BBM makes sense .. because if Walternt is knowing that Olivia has something with that .. he was going to kill her right there and will focus on her to kill every Olivia in any universe .

I think the observers were protecting Olivia , but it's ok to reveal about Peter's connection with the BBM because his father is not going to kill him any way .. but if he knows about Olivia he will kill her .. and maybe that's what will happen in the future !

I personally .. seeing that the Writers are very very very smart and intelligent ... i don't think that they are ignoring Peter's character as much as they are wanting to let this character to grow more .

Again .. it's not Olivia alone or Peter alone .. it's both of them together which makes sense after all .

Enjoy watching Fringe even more .. what ever it may happen .. it's not over :)

Real1

trent said...

Real1, I can't agree with you. I'm sorry, but I can't. This would have been easier to swallow if Peter had had his own storylines before this, but it turns out that all of Peter's character development in S3 has been misdirection. It's maddening, but now I know where the writers stand, when it comes to Peter. They simply don't care.

real.one said...

To Trent ..

Hey it's ok to disagree , let me try another thing , what do you know about Peter since s1 ? and how he was in S2 ?

S3 is about the BBM and Peter , every episode was arrive to him ,

Why you would like to split him from Olivia and Walter ? while Olivia and Walter are connecting to him and both are for him ?

Real1

jb said...

Trent, all respect to your opinion. But here's mine ;)

IMO, I think the writers care greatly about Peter. They openly say that this was the season of Olivia. They don't deny that but I don't think it means they don't care about Peter. His story lines have been very evident - dealing with the machine and his connection to it, his father's betrayal of not telling him of his true history, his biological father's betrayal of not telling him about the real truth as to his reasons for bringing "Over There", Fauxlivia's betrayal through pretending to be our Olivia, Peter's betrayal by default of our Olivia - this hurt him greatly to know he did this, his actions with the shape shifters - killing for the greater good? and his fight to return Olivia from Bell.

As for the plot device of bringing Olivia into the machine story, well considering the events of this year it makes complete sense to me. I don't think it results in Peter not being a hero or Olivia saving the day. I think it is about the strength in the connection they share.

They pretty much did some ground work of that thinking in the episode 6B with the Merchant's story line. The power of 2. The power of 2 that share a heightened emotional connection can have on the bringing together OR tearing apart of the worlds. Peter and Olivia are linked and have been for some time. More so than the writers have likely shown us.

I can't presume to know what the writers think. These characters and these stories aren't mine. They are the writers' and I just have the privilge to watch them play out. I am equal parts excited and dreading the next 2 Fridays. I want to know what's to some but I don't want the season to end.

trent said...

Real1,

"S3 is about the BBM and Peter"

No, it wasn't. They dedicated one episode to Peter and the machine before "6:02", but the worry and the danger was lurking behind a few more episodes and that was always connected to him, although it was kept in the background. Suddenly, Peter has been sidelined from his only storyline. Why should I feel good about this development?

"Why you would like to split him from Olivia and Walter?"

I don't. I want him to have his own stories, just like Olivia does. She has done things on her own and she hasn't needed Peter and Walter. Why is it too much to ask, that Peter is granted the same respect?

jb,

"His story lines have been very evident - dealing with the machine and his connection to it, his father's betrayal of not telling him of his true history, his biological father's betrayal of not telling him about the real truth as to his reasons for bringing "Over There", Fauxlivia's betrayal through pretending to be our Olivia, Peter's betrayal by default of our Olivia - this hurt him greatly to know he did this, his actions with the shape shifters"

Look carefully. All of those storylines were abandoned or made about Olivia (Fauxlivia's betrayal or now the machine storyline, for instance). I was ready to accept, that Fauxlivia's betrayal was never going to be explored from Peter's perspective and how it hurt him, because he also had his own story. That has been suddenly taken from him, too. That shows a lot of lack of care or interest for Peter, which I find extremely annoying.

real.one said...

To Trent ..

""""""" "S3 is about the BBM and Peter"

No, it wasn't. They dedicated one episode to Peter and the machine before "6:02", but the worry and the danger was lurking behind a few more episodes and that was always connected to him, although it was kept in the background. Suddenly, Peter has been sidelined from his only storyline. Why should I feel good about this development? """"""

You forget that Olivia is a FBI agent , Peter is a civilian consultant , I don't know that the writers are also calling s3 is about Olivia but i heard Josh saying that s3 is about Olivia , as a real fans am not seeing it that way ! because every episode is arriving for Peter and the BBM , we don't have enough Olivia in s3 and am not talking about the timescreen as how x-poster would like to understand my meaning , in s3 what do we know about Olivia ? i mean something new ? i can say nothing new about Olivia's character but what do we know about Peter ? something new .. yes we do know that his real father is having a agenda we do know how Peter's universe i working .. we know that Peter's a father .. we know that his DNA activated the machine etc etc . So that's why S3 is about Peter and the machine from my point of view .

""""""""" "Why you would like to split him from Olivia and Walter?"

I don't. I want him to have his own stories, just like Olivia does. She has done things on her own and she hasn't needed Peter and Walter. Why is it too much to ask, that Peter is granted the same respect? """"""""""

Olivia can save herself because she is a well trained FBI agent , but , when she lost herself Peter is the one who was helping remember that .

His own story is the story of Olivia and Walter , Olivia's story is linking with Walter and Peter , Walter's story is linking with Peter and Olivia .

Olivia couldn't work alone without Walter and Peter , as Peter couldn't work alone without Olivia ,"Os" he was coming clean about his killing and he did a prove that he can't work alone ... he is a civilian consultant not a agent and yet he is helping the FBI and yet he needs Olivia to his side .

Maybe the more annoying thing that did happen to him .. that he failed about Fauxlivia and the consequences was the baby , but all in all from the big picture .. i think that you can't split him from Olivia and Walter , the 3 are connecting together .

I said before that his character is still growing and it was early to say about his connection to the machine , we are not sure from him depending of his history ... conning people and doing mistakes , so how to hand this character the fate of the universes ??? I think i was searching for answers .. but i never meant to hate or dislike the character .

Again , it's nice to have a class posts with you , even if we are disagreeing about some points .. the respect will remain there :)


Real1

Anonymous said...

i think our side will win because we have the original peter and olivia and they have only henry and olivia

Anonymous said...

who is the guy at 0:48 he has gray hairs
pls answere

Anonymous said...

I was wondering the same thing.... I'm picturing if that was a future (obviously surviving) Peter.
Like that guy in S2 who managed to time travel back to the day his wife died.... Maybe future Peter finds a ways to come back to 'the day We died'....

trent said...

Real1,

You forget that Olivia is a FBI agent , Peter is a civilian consultant , I don't know that the writers are also calling s3 is about Olivia but i heard Josh saying that s3 is about Olivia , as a real fans am not seeing it that way !

Everyone has a right to interpret things their way. To me, that description is accurate. This is the season of Olivia. It should not be a bad thing if it wasn't, because they are sacrificing other characters in the process.

Olivia can save herself because she is a well trained FBI agent , but , when she lost herself Peter is the one who was helping remember that.

That wasn't Peter. It was Olivia's imagination.

Olivia couldn't work alone without Walter and Peter

Yes, she could. She was an effective FBI agent, before they all met.

Maybe the more annoying thing that did happen to him .. that he failed about Fauxlivia and the consequences was the baby , but all in all from the big picture .. i think that you can't split him from Olivia and Walter , the 3 are connecting together.

I can split Peter and Olivia alright. They have been apart before and she did quite well. Walter is more independent now and he's ready to let Peter go, so maybe this relationship can be broken, too.

I said before that his character is still growing and it was early to say about his connection to the machine , we are not sure from him depending of his history ... conning people and doing mistakes , so how to hand this character the fate of the universes ???

Exactly! And they just robbed him of character development to give it to Olivia, who doesn't really need it at this point. Why should I be satisfied with this? You can hate Peter (or not), that doesn't affect the story, but when the writers of the show hate a character, as they clearly do in Peter's case, it affects the storytelling. As a fan of Peter, I cannot like this.

real.one said...

To trent

""" Olivia couldn't work alone without Walter and Peter

Yes, she could. She was an effective FBI agent, before they all met. """

Yes she is FBI agent but I meant she couldn't work alone to save the worlds without Walter and Peter .


"""""I said before that his character is still growing and it was early to say about his connection to the machine , we are not sure from him depending of his history ... conning people and doing mistakes , so how to hand this character the fate of the universes ???

Exactly! And they just robbed him of character development to give it to Olivia, who doesn't really need it at this point. Why should I be satisfied with this? You can hate Peter (or not), that doesn't affect the story, but when the writers of the show hate a character, as they clearly do in Peter's case, it affects the storytelling. As a fan of Peter, I cannot like this. """"

Ok i got your point now , you mean why they didn't try to explore his past and his involved with mafia and all ?

At the end of s2 we have a switch , and the events was going quickly from the start of s3 , from the second episode the story line of the BBM was started and that's going to Peter's story line also , I don't know where they can fit a back ground story for Peter , but i think they were working to let the fans misunderstanding Peter's and doubting him and to assure that what Sam said : he is not sure from Peter .

So the writers were drawing the lines to doubt Peter's character if he is honest or not .. if he still conning people or not .. and it's all arrive about Peter .

Now .. we have a war coming .. and yet .. Peter is the center of it and yet to can't guess which side will survive and it will depend on Peter's mind .

I don't think that the writers are hating Peter not the fans , please , Fringe is an amazing story amazing show .. why we could not enjoy it ? why if any one would like to make a critic for the show or even the character not to use the facts of the show itself ?

i for one I dislike Fauxlivia character and can't giving her any chance in my book , and still am watching and seeing where the story line will go , and i will never see her as Olivia even if they would like to do a merge or what ever .. i think it's will not work cuz by letting Olivia had her memories and personality the merge is done .

But i didn't attack any one who's loving her or sympathize with her , each one is having his/her point of view and how the one is seeing the characters depend the facts of the show .

Calm down and enjoy the remain of the show , i really can't wait to see what will happen and i will take what ever they will give :)

Real1

Real1

trent said...

Real1,

Ok i got your point now , you mean why they didn't try to explore his past and his involved with mafia and all?

No, I meant, let him have his storyline to give him adequate character development, which supposedly was the machine storyline, but he couldn't have that, could he? I mean, heaven forbid! Peter with a storyline! What's next? Gene starting to talk?

But i didn't attack any one who's loving her or sympathize with her , each one is having his/her point of view and how the one is seeing the characters depend the facts of the show.

I don't think I've attacked anyone's opinion here, I'm just stating mine.

i really can't wait to see what will happen and i will take what ever they will give :)

That's great, I'm happy for you, but I cannot say say the same about me.

E said...

How wonderful :) i really didn't see that coming,and now that makes things a 100 times more complicated and unpredictable,awesome,love you Fringe writers :)
i don't understand why people are jumping to conclusions,this is just a promo,wait 'til you see the full episode.Peter is still in the center of the whole thing (if you think about it's sorta because of him that we're having this war of universes)
And we've seen in the past how Peter and Olivia have some sort of connection,so this'd make sense.Not to mention the best part : seemingly Walternate doesn't know about this XD

Anonymous said...

Ok people , we're all fans , let's not freak Out , nothing happened yet, let's wait and see how it plays Out .
I also think that it would be unfair for Peter, and I hope the team won't split up for a long periode in season 4,just bring our team together or else blow up the blue verse LOL!


Fall

Anonymous said...

But see people don't understand that the writers and some of the audience have been undermining Peter's and his character for 3 years. The most common complaint is that peter doesn't do much. So then this machine comes along and its like yeah Peter has his own UNIQUE storyline which was pushed into the background. So then when its resurfaces, Peter became "dark" and then its dropped completely until Os and again, not heard from again until 6:02 am EST and then PETER'S SON activates it and now this dumb picture of Olivia? I mean Peter went crazy over a weapon that he didn't even power? He killed those shapeshifters for NOTHING?

Now honestly, that is completely undermining Peter's purpose.

Would people like it if the writers gave Peter cortexiphan? Kinda makes Olivia's less unique now does it? So why should people be OK with Olivia having to do with this machine?

BTW, Olivia may be lead but that doesn't give the writers the right to undermine Peter's storyline and give it to her.

I know, I know, let's wait and see but its obvious people are going to give Olivia all the credit, brag about it the next morning thus ignoring the fact that THIS STORYLINE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PETER, the same way the cortexiphan storyline was all about Olivia.

I would totally buy that Peter and Olivia are supposed to do this TOGETHER but after the way they treated Peter because of this stupid faxulivia thing, I can't buy it now, its just another way to give Olivia more to do ( I mean she was trapped into the alternate universe, came back and was a little drama queen, had a romance with peter, turned into William bell and now the MACHINE? And poor Peter's ONLY storyline this season turned out to be this

1. his son powered it
2. Now Olivia can operate it

So, what else Peter can do, huh? That's right, NOTHING!

real.one said...

Annon April 27, 2011 10:34 AM

Who's saying that Olivia is operating the machine ? .. clearly she is preparing the machine so Peter can enter it without harm , i will give you example :

You have a car .. the car will not work without the key right ? .. so you put the key and switch on the car .. but no one will drive the car only you .

Olivia will prepare the machine so Peter will drive it , really Kudos to the writers for is amazing build .

Peter alone will not work as Olivia alone will not work , say thanks God that Peter is finally with the right Olivia so maybe both sides will survive :)

Real1

Anonymous said...

Yeah Peter needs the help from a female. Wonderful.

Anonymous said...

i think its so the alternate universe has peter as his key and we have olivia so olivia is for our machine and peter for the other one thats why peter cant touch the machine because its the wrong key to the machine

Anonymous said...

Fringe is about Olivia since Season 1. It has been told mostly through her perspective. If she dies, the story ends. Time to tell a new story. If there are three lead characters, then why is John Noble up for Best Supporting Actor and not Best Leading Actor?

Anonymous said...

It is true, that Fringe is about Olivia since S1, but then the producers are lying, every time they say it's about the three of them. That's not nice, because those who want more about the other "leads" are getting their hopes up, only to be crushed by that big truth, you've just said. Olivia is the absolute protagonist, while the rest are just props. I think it's a narrow-minded approach, because it just appeals to the Olivia fans.

As for John Noble being up for Best Supporting Actor, it's more a question of politics than anything. He has third billing on Fringe, so he could go for Best Lead or Best Supporting Actor, but he has higher chances going as Supporting for a sci-fi show.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your response. OMG! Could it be that Walternate knew all along that Peter must go home back to the alternate universe to power his machine. I bet the machine on our side will only repond to our Olivia. Two people from different worlds love each other so much that they bring can bring two worlds together or destroy both worlds.

Anonymous said...

i think it is so that peter can only touch the other machine because he is from the other side and olivia is from our side and she can touch our machine because the machine threw peter back because he his the wrong key

fringeobsessed said...

"Two people from different worlds love each other so much that they can bring two worlds together or destroy both worlds."

Hmm, reminiscent of Alice and Derek Merchant in "6B," isn't it?

jb said...

fringeobsessed - very much agreed!!! (I also mentioned 6B further up) :)

45 said...

For crying out loud, just because Olivia is the lead that does not mean that EVERYONE ELSE shouldn't have thier own darn storyline. Don't blame us if the writers kept shoving the fact that ONLY PETER was capable of working this machine, they had Peter touch the machine with his fair hands in Over there Part 1, The observer gave Olivia a picture of PETER BISHOP (why bother giving her this picture in the first place if its all about her anyways?), Olivia went through hell to save Peter from a prophecy that wasn't even about him, Peter went all dark right AFTER working with the machine and killed those shapeshifters, not to mention Walter's line, "my son is responsible for the end of the world"
now in 6:02 am est, Walternate activated the weapon with Peter's son and now Olivia will be the one to use the machine.

Now care to explain why they even BOTHERED putting Peter into this storyline when Olivia and his son will get all the credit for it anyways?

This wouldn't have been a problem if the writers hadn't shown how the machine affected Peter.

I mean honestly, I have watched LOTS of shows where there is a lead and everyone was given THEIR OWN STORYLINE. Olivia may be lead but don't think for a single second that nobody else matters and everyone else shouldn't do anything.

45 said...

BTW, because of Olivia's POV, people have a biased view of Peter, Walter and everyone else.
Peter screws up, you hate him because how it affects Olivia, Walter screws up, you hate him because he dared to hurt Olivia, Peter is in a coma and you care more about how heartbroken Olivia is cause she can never find happiness rather than its PETER who is the one hurt now. So maybe if people would start caring about ALL THE CHARACTERS and stop with this "Olivia is lead, the show is all about her others be damned" maybe you would understand Peter, Walter and everyone else's characters.

Eric said...

Carla Warren: "For the sake of one life you will destroy the world"

Walter's hubris and love of Peter caused him to mess with Nature and risk the destruction of the World. Just like CW said. Peter and Olivia's love is now needed to save our world. The irony is, Walter HAD to save Peter or the love affair could not have happened - "our" Peter died. He had to die. Because Just like Peter and Olivia need each other, the universes do to - to achieve balance - a central theme of the show. In order to keep that balance, Oliva (our side) and Peter (over there) had to meet and have this relationship. Peter has the genetic ability, but Olivia's ability is created through strong emotional reaction - which Peter can induce. So Walter's actions really were all part of the cosmic plan. Peter "Has to live" as the Observer said. Walter created the problems, but the answer to correcting it was the very act that created it. If that makes sense!

Anonymous said...

You mean our future was decided for us before we were born, before our ancestors were born. It's a pattern that repeats itself.

Anonymous said...

Who is the gray haired man at :48 seconds in the lab? He seems to be observing Walter, Sam, Olivia, and others I can't see clearly. Is he the same guy we see in the scene with the lightning bolts? Is he with Sam?

real.one said...

To eric :

Well said , but i have one comment :

""Peter has the genetic ability, but Olivia's ability is created through strong emotional reaction - which Peter can induce. """

William Bell said to Olivia in S2ep4 : Most people who cross dimensions, without your natural talent, are simply torn apart.

So that's suggesting .. Olivia has a natural ability which we don't know yet how or what it is , as how Peter is connecting to the machine .

Real1

Anonymous said...

it makes me wonder how people would react if it was OLIVIA in peter's shoes. Let's say that the writers kept saying how Olivia was the only one attuned to this machine just to have her son activate it and Peter was also part of the prophecy. I'm sure people would have a HUGE problem with that since Olivia is the lead character, the head honcho, the most important person on this planet and the heroine, so if Peter was part of it, Olivia will need the help of a man.

Now, for those who don't understand the peter fans frustration, if you love Olivia, how would you feel if they did to her.

Kung Fu Fighter said...

Regardless if S3 is the season for Olivia, without Peter, Olivia is not complete; her story alone will be a bit empty.

Agree with some of the comments above where it was said that it does not matter who is the hero. I think the writers are telling us that Peter & Olivia cannot work alone; there is a connection between the two. Remember when young Peter was trying every method he could think of to get back to his “real” parents. He kind of settled in after he met the young Olivia in the fields. He called his mum “mum” and stayed here. I think something got to him (realisation of fate? destiny?) – he didn’t just simply give up. Remember Olivia saying that Peter belongs with her? So… young Peter came to our universe to meet the young Olivia; she then went across the universe to get him back and fought her way back; Peter did not fail to recognise her and brought her back from Belly’s mind game… so, they are meant to be together! Mmm, I wonder who they will kill off then?? Fauxlivia? – because I have a feeling its one of the Olivias

Also, it’s about character building. It does not matter if Peter has more screen time than Olivia or vice versa; or even dare to bring the gender argument into this! I think in the last two seasons, we all got to know both of them so much batter (actually this applies to all of the Fringe team). So thanks the writers for that.

So what if Olivia is the hero, no hero can work alone. Looking at the big picture, in a way, everything (on the show or in the real world) is inter-connected…

“give him the key and save the girl” mmm… observer said it, Walter repeated then and again in 6.02 AM EST… now the promo says that Olivia is the key…

“i think it is so that peter can only touch the other machine because he is from the other side and Olivia is from our side and she can touch our machine because the machine threw peter back because he his the wrong key” – this is a good one, totally possible because our Peter was suppose to die while Peter over there was suppose to live if the observer did not interrupt…

“You mean our future was decided for us before we were born, before our ancestors were born. It's a pattern that repeats itself.” – LOL. Anything is possible on this show! Fringe team, I’m sitting back and waiting for you to surprise me!

Some of the comments might be outdated as I have not watch the latest episode yet... gona watch it now! :))

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