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Fringe Episode 404: "Subject 9"

      Email Post       10/14/2011 07:00:00 PM      


Tonight on Fringe Friday is the fourth episode of season four "Subject 9".
WALTER’S PAST HAS POWERFUL CONSEQUENCES IN THE PRESENT

Olivia uncovers a dangerous force that may be connected to Walter’s past experiments with the drug Cortexiphan. Their investigation forces Walter to leave the lab for the first time in years as he and Olivia head to Massive Dynamic in New York to examine old case files. Walter struggles with life outside the lab as he comes face-to-face with the demons of his past.
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How do you rate the Fringe episode "Subject 9"?

44 Comments:

Anonymous said...

what was the song playing through walters headphones. i have not heard it since it was on the radio back in the day.

dana said...

That was a great episode, I am super excited for next week!
-dana

Anonymous said...

Actually it's 2 weeks.

Connie Faye said...

yeah, sad about that two week thing as well.

dana said...

@Anonymous
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iRandy said...

Another excellent episode - keep 'em coming!

DMann said...

Wow, what an episode. I truly love this show and how it keeps me on the edge of my seat, not to mention the extreme "fringe" science behind it. Unbelievable cast and production team, please don't ever go away Fringe!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Wondering why the time gap between the accident outside the restaurant (a night scene) and the police interviewing Olivia in then next (a day scene). Was that a continuity error....or is something Fringy happening here?

Dennis said...

Olivia said that she wasn't going to be able to sleep, so I think that they were up very late when that happened, and the police interview was very early morning.

Suhara said...

Such an amazing episode! Great to have Peter back, but by the looks of the promo for the next episode, Olivia seems to be giving Peter a really rough time (as does everyone)... I really hope that they re-remember him again soon and that Peter and Olivia get back together again, not just from my huge shipper pov but I think it's essential to the show's success. I really don't want Olivia to have to fall in love with him all over again because that could be a span of like an entire season and I'm terrified that there won't be a next season (let's not let that happen!).... Like almost every Friday night I won't be able to sleep until I see the episode ratings tomorrow! Fingers crossed! :)

milostanfield said...

Walter and Olivia sharing a root beer float. Priceless. Seeing them being that close after 3 years of them not being so close. Just awesome.

Funny that Olivia has never (in this timeline) had side effects or shown special abilities from the cortexiphan trials. Betcha that will change. And she ran away. Sure hope they fill in that backstory.

Welcome back Peter!

Anonymous said...

Finally we get back to the main story.

VJ said...

Easily the best sci-fi show on TV right now. Great episode!!! Welcome back Peter.

Anonymous said...

Really Really the best show ever!!!!!!!!!!
Great episode!!!!Love Fringe!

fringeaddict said...

OMG!! I think Fringe has finally taken flight again with this episode. I cannot wait to where it goes from here.
On another note, I'm surprised at how scared Olivia seems to be in this time line. She seems to jump at the slightes sound or movement....

fringeaddict said...

PS... So did Nina become Olivia's guardian or carer after she shot her stepdad and mother died? i seemed to get that impression and was wondering if anyone else did.

Anonymous said...

Yes. Also, I believe one of the showrunners said Nina also took in Rachel, but don't quote me.

I really love the Olivia Walter relationship. I wonder how having Peter back might change it.

milostanfield said...

fringeaddict - Great story ideas in your PS. Also, perhaps when Olivia ran away from the cortexiphan trials she ended up under Nina's care. And I suspect that was not just an accident. There's a whole story line there just begging for a "Peter" or "Subject 13" story. More universes + more duplicates + more timelines = many more Fringe stories. Like this new math!

milostanfield said...

I like that some ambivalence in Nina's character has been reintroduced ala Season 1. Her "we just make the technology and profit from it, and it's use is not our concern" is the perfect gunrunner's defense. Yet she obviously deeply and perceptively cares about Olivia as well.

FringeFan said...

Super great episode man!!!!! And Pete's back. And he's not a shape-shifter (at least not until now)...!!! Although I wasn't expecting his early return (hint of disappointment) from Limbo or wherever.

@Suhara - Same here. Going crazy over the ratings and the next season. Pray to God it happens. As Walter would have said it: DEAR GOD!!! And poor Pete: Life-threatening disease, maddening cross-over, painful re-union, bitter realization, the doppelganger effect, non-existence, and now Liv's giving him a hard time.

@fringeaddict - Yes I did get that thought. That conversation clearly hinted a close, mother-daughter equivalent relationship b\w Olivia and Nina.

And now a two-weeks long wait. As if erasing and bringing back Peter wasn't enough, the producers are now making us wait. It gets better and better. Love FRINGE.

STILL CAN'T IMAGINE THE IMPOSSIBILITIES.

milostanfield said...

Fringe got a 3.1 million, 1.2. Unbelievably, that hopeless dreck preceding Fringe, "Kitchen Nightmares", got a 3.6, 1.4. I guess we Fringe fanatics really DO live in a different universe. I hope so.

Anonymous said...

since timelines were arranged in this season, is there a possibility that Bell is alive? Just a thought.......

Anonymous said...

Ok people we have to stop talking about ratings. The writers have this under control they know where they are going with the story so just enjoy it and don't worry. They won't let you down.

...and I like the idea that Bell COULD still be alive. It is certainly a possibility because the reason he was removed from his physical body was because Walter and Olivia had to go to the other universe to get Peter. So...well you guys are with me on that.

This episode answered a lot of questions although it might not have been entirely clear. Now the observer (September)is not directly responsible for Peter's existence in this new reality. I'm sure they will address this in the coming episodes.

Peters back! But what does that mean for saving both universes like Peter wanted them to do? And why haven't we seen Walternate at all this season? Well Fringe is back and it's beginning to move quickly again so I'm sure you will be pleased with where the journey takes you. All of your questions will be answered in good time.

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Anonymous said...

Okay I loved last nights episode of Fringe. It is weird all the changes in their lives without Peter, but that what happens when you change history. I cannot wait to see the new episode that comes on in two weeks. I am wondering what the observers will do now that Peter is back!

(X)Daniel...

Anonymous said...

I am a little concerned with the fact that Olivia said that she had heard nothing from the other children of Walter and Bell's drug trials. That would mean that some dangerous character may be coming back into view. Some of those kids grew up with some deadly abilities. You would think that Fringe division would have still encountered their cases without Peter.

(X) Daniel...

Anonymous said...

From my point of view, I hope Peter and Olivia will be together again very soon, because personnaly, I'm losing patience, and feel really upset sometimes, like all this is used to keep us wathching, but now it's too much, too long, and too much about it. If they are together I'm sure that as they don't have a quiet simple job there are other topics to explore, and the occasions to be scared to see them die or saving the world are much more interesting than reseting their love story over and over...

Anonymous said...

as to the other children, there's a big possibility of come back, and it's pretty exciting to see how will the writers incorporate their abilities in the coming episodes without losing the season's core plot.

milostanfield said...

I think Walter will come around to Peter quickly. After all, if Peter says that he is his "son" (although from another universe), a simple DNA test should confirm it, since it was earlier established that alt twin's DNA is the same. Plus the fact that he popped up out of Reiden Lake. Confirming one's identity and really getting to know someone is not the same thing, but I see all this resolving in some way by the fall break.

It will take a little longer for Olivia, but I still think they have a special deep connection as depicted in the brainwave drawing. It will take more time for Olivia to trust again, but she will.

And we still don't know if Peter has a new agenda or perspective gained from his experience. Hope so. As a character he needs to grow and change as well.

Fringa said...

Don't get me wrong 'cause i'm liking where Fringe is going so far, but what keeps nagging me is the thought that technically Olivia isn't OUR Olivia and neither is Walter or the others. A Peterless world is just another world. Isn't that how the idea of parallel worlds work? A different decision means an alternate universe with different outcomes, 'same but subtle differences'.... So technically Peter has reappeared in a third universe and ofcourse he knows everyone and has info on them because they ARE the same people but slightly different.
I love this show, but boy does it make me think about things/theories to the point where it just confuses me.

Anonymous said...

Confusion is the main aim of Fringe. It is what keeps us all coming back. I am not too upset with the reset of Peter and Olivia's relationship. It is a good thing. Now they have a fresh start without the mess of Peter having slept with the other Olivia and a child in the alternate world.

hopefully, Walter will regain some of his sanity quickly as well.

(X) Daniel...

Suhara said...

@Fringa
I couldn't agree more! Don't get me wrong I LOVE Fringe and they could kill off Gene and I would still have faith in the writers that they would bring him back or whatever, but throughout this season its been nagging me that this Olivia and this Walter are not OUR Olivia and Walter. It would have been one thing if the two characters would have been exactly the same as before, just minus Peter, but there have been so many little, yet very significant differences, like Olivia killing her stepfather and her never having any 'powers' after the Cortexiphan Trials. I hate that its been nagging at me, but I really hope that something happens and we get our our Olivia and Walter back! :(

LC_07 said...

I also wouldn't like to see a complete reset of Peter and Olivia plot, and them falling in love all over again, it was nice to see it twice. I hope that at some point they regain some memory to the previous happenings.
And I do like the fact that these charcters are very different because Peter isn't around, it shows how important he was for this tripod (Olivia, Peter and Walter) to work to its fullest potencial, but I~m bothered by some facts like Olivia not having any powers, or how they never met any more Cortexiphan kids. I didn't think their cases would be different, and how the Fringe division got to where it is now would be so affected. But this season is awesome, I'm loving every minute of it, so I'm still happy!

Anonymous said...

I just had a thought. Now that the story has been rewritten, some characters are not going to be making an appearance like Sam Weis. I know I misspelled his last name. I can never remember. But anyway, he won't be significant in this new timeline. Walter would never have sent back the machine with the book telling of the first people so his family would not be the guardians of the secrets anymore.

To: Suhara
I am very annoyed with her already minimum abilities being gone now. But without Peter, she never had anyone to find her when she ran away. So she never came back.

To: LC_07
I am equally annoyed with the differences in their case loads.

(X) Daniel

Suhara said...

@Daniel
I agree. Although it will never stop me from watching Fringe every week I do hope the timeline is reset to the way it was! And thanks for clearing that up, I had a feeling I was wrong about that!

Lafra08 said...

I love Fringe it´s an amazing show and I think we don´t have to worry about the ratings (wich are nowadays not truthworty) because there is in fact no important reason why our beloved show could not be renewed for the 5-th and 6-th season - Fringe has an interesting storyline which combines scifi mythology with wonderful human emotions and connetions and that´s why Fringe feels both real and fantasy, Fringe has huge FANBASE ALL OVER THE WORLD and I Think Fox Bosses knows that and thay will allow our writers and producers to tell us the whole story! We will be thankful!
I also think that Peter returned to the third universe, where he finds not OUR Olivia and not OUR Walter and so on....and I hope that he will try to find the way to go back to our original timeline where he is truly loved by Olivia and Walter and I must admitt that I truly miss our original timeline and OUR OLIVia and OUR Walter, NINA BROYLs, Astrid.....Ofcoure this new alternate timeline opened new possibilities for character developments and it is really fun to see all of this differences and I would love that even more if I knew at the end later this season we are going to come back to the original timeline. I got so invested in the original chracters over this past 3 years that I can´t help but not investing in this new Liv New Walter... and I´m afraid that this could be very difficult to restore Peter/Olivia and Walter/Peter deep bounds in this new timeline. And I love Polivia and Peter/Walter dynamic from the OT. I believe this 3 belong together and Olivia and Peter are destinied to be together and without this relationships Fringe will not be Fringe we know and love...so I ´m going to trust our writers and producers that we finally see our 3 heros reunited in love in the original timeline later this season after their amazing adventures in the alternate timeline!!!!!!!

michael peacock said...

One thing that no one is talking about is how Peter and Faux- livia's child plays into the story line? Where is the baby? Does it even exist at this point because technically, at the beginning of this season / end of last season, Peter never existed.

I think the only reason Olivia and Walter were seeing Peter in dreams / visions is because this child does exist somewhere. That's why the observer did not understand why there were still traces of him. How does the child play a role in the storyline from this point on?

Anonymous said...

To:Suhara
Maybe the timeline will shift back. Or even better, Walter starts experimenting on Olivia again with Cortexiphan again. Maybe they will need her abilities to return. Loving the show no matter what they throw our way.

To:Michael Peacock
I Don't think the child exists at all in this new timeline. Peter was removed from the timeline at the lake when he was a boy so he never grew up. Which does raise the question as to why Peter would return to reality as an adult instead of as a child. But that's another rant of insanity. My thinking on his returning to the timeline is due to his intense connection to Walter and Olivia. Mainly her though. I am wondering if we will get information on where Peter was while he was away. That would maybe make a crazy episode. A recap of Peter's time outside of time.

(X) Daniel...

Anonymous said...

hi im might have missed an episode but did Lance reddick character die in Waltermet. If he did but came back what episode did i miss cheers

confused

Anonymous said...

I'm starting to develop a new theory... What if both new and past timelines collide and merge in the same way that Peter's existence collided and merged with the new timeline? For instance, I wonder if Olivia is going to start having dejavus and memories of her past timeline and then eventually, she'll start forgetting what happened to her in the new timeline and everything will be back to normal?

- fringelover

Bob said...

Cameron James (which is James Cameron backwards) made the alias for himself "Mark Little" .... I believe Mark Little was the man killed by imaginary butterflies in the season one episode "Dreamscape".

jblair said...

AT ANONYMOUS...that song from episode 4 "SUBJECT 9" is...Climax Blues Band "Couldn't Get It Right"

maximal fringe said...

but (i think at the last episode of season3) peter uses the machine as a time machine. so why can he just go again into the machine at a moment before walter-nate starts his machine? so olivia and peter are still in a relationship, peter can later "build" the bridge and all are happy because no one gets distroyed :DD
-maxi

Christoph said...

@Maxi - Nobody got destroyed from the merging of the 2 universes. Peter was wiped from history, a side effect one can assume from using the machine. What you asked for is the same thing as using the machine after Walternate used his. You will still get the same result because the machine was still used. Peter never chose to vanish from time after he used it, it just happened. something i believe Walter (first person walter) would never have prediocted as the machine would have never been tested properly.

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