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Fringe Finale Exclusive:WTF Just Happened?!

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Fringe Finale Exclusive: WTF Just Happened?! Producers Answer (Some) Burning Questions
Matt Webb Mitovich
[Warning: The following story is chockablock with spoilers from Friday night's Fringe season finale. Watch before you read. Seriously.]

Fringe‘s Season 3 finale could have ended with Peter emerging from the Machine, as he and Olivia survey the roomful of doppelgangers he just united. Or, it could have gone a step further and left us with the jarring image of Peter “fizzling” away in the midst of debriefing the Walters on his learning from the future.

But this is Fringe. And the envelope-pushing sci-fier dialed up the WTF to 11 by closing the season with an Observer explaining that no one inside Lady Liberty is batting an eye at Peter’s vanishing because to them — now, having “served his purpose” — he “never existed.”
Source:tvonline.com

OK…. What?

Speaking with executive producers Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman after we previewed the finale, TVLine led with the No. 1 question on our list: Does Joshua Jackson have a Fringe gig come fall? Or should he have been auditioning for pilots? “He’s got a job. He’s still under contract,” Wyman confirms. “We can’t yet reveal what exactly we have in store for him, but he’s definitely not going out for other shows.”



As for those final two scenes, Pinkner said that even the most time paradox-savvy viewers “should be wondering” how it is that Peter vanished from existence, yet said he would be remiss to shed much light on that or what’s in store for Season 4. “The less spoilerage, the better,” he deferred. “The reason to come back and watch is exactly for the questions you’re asking.”

Wyman instead points viewers to this scene: “When Walter in the future says he has figured out a plan to send a message back to the past, he says that bringing Peter’s consciousness forward of course would have consequences.” Or as Future Peter himself remarked when presented with Walter’s plan: “Imagine the repercussions.” Indeed.

But could even the brilliant Walter have surmised that preventing a future doomsday would rob him of being with his son in the past? “One of the things we were playing with this season,” says Pinkner, “is a journey of acceptance for Walter, accepting what the Observers were trying to teach him in ‘Firefly’ – that in order to undo the damage he has done, he may have to be willing to sacrifice Peter.”

To briefly recap the finale episode, before we share more from Wyman and Pinkner: After glimpsing an instant of disorientation, we realize we are observing Peter as he exists in the year 2026, complete with memories of what he made wife (!) Olivia that morning for breakfast. The recovery of a “light bomb” used by a terrorist named Moreau sets in motion a chain of events in which Walter — now “the most reviled” man on the globe, as the deliverer of doomsday — deduces that it is he who will design the Machine and send it into the very distant past via the Central Park wormhole. He hypothesizes that if he can bring Peter’s 2011 consciousness “forward” in time long enough to realize that he must make another choice once in the Machine, both worlds can be saved. Alas, though Walter is spot-on in his assessment, it appears there are in fact “repercussions” to this correction, when Peter fades away from his 2011 existence, never to be remembered.

Now, a few other burning questions the Fringe EPs took on:

If Peter “Never Existed,” Wouldn’t That Mean No Feud Between the Walters, No Machine Activated, No 2026 Doomsday…? In a word, no. “Walter and [William] Bell were always trying to find a way to cross over, even before the Peter [abduction] incident,” Pinkner reminds. “So things may have happened differently.”

What Was “Lost In Detroit,” As Future Peter Alluded To With Broyles? “That’s not something the audience needs to understand just yet,” says Wyman. “It’s obviously something heavily emotional between them – that may or may not be the cause of Broyles losing an eye.”

Was Olivia In Fact the “Beloved Character” Spoiled To Be Dying In the Finale? (Or Was It Gene the Cow?) “In the course of the episode, it was Olivia,” confirms Pinkner, noting that Gene had gone to that great dairy farm in the sky sometime between 2011 and 2026.

Is That It for Big Baddie Moreau? Sadly, yes. Played by Dune‘s Brad Dourif, Moreau and his End of Dayers threat was simply the Case of the Week for Fringe Team ’26.

Have We Also Seen the Last Of Grown-Up Ella (Boardwalk Empire‘s Emily Meade)? Yes, says Wyman — “for the time being.”

Did Fox Execs Have As Many Questions About Fringe‘s Latest Freaky Finale As I Did? “Probably more!” Pinkner says with a laugh. “But everybody is asking the right questions – not questions of confusion but questions of intrigue, of being compelled. We always like it when it’s like that.” Adds Wyman: “We’ve gained a lot of trust over the years [when pitching ideas to the network]. They have now seen the way we operate, how we always have tent posts that we are moving toward and from.”

What did you think, Fringe fans? Did the finale sufficiently blow your mind?
Source:tvline.com

56 Comments:

Cody said...

Best writers on TV, the show was amazing. Is their any way to link up Fringe with Dr Who? . That would be stellar. Sorry for that just love you both.

Jason C. Braun said...

Fringe is the only non animated TV series I own on DVD. Last nights episode was HUGE. This whole show has more depth, character, and intelligence than ANYTHING I have ever seen on TV. Love you guys, love the show. I hope this show is around until the whole story is told. And yes, last nights episode blew my mind. It was EPIC!

Anonymous said...

Love it! :)

Anonymous said...

Is there any place that makes any correlation between Fringe and "The End of Eternity" by Isaac Asimov?

The Observers are there too.

Xindilini said...

I get it now.

By having Peter giving away the secrets of the universes, he essentially changed the course of events.

Peter may have just pulled himself from his own timeline.

Paradoxes!!!

Start theorizing how they will bring him back.

Roberto said...

I have a penchant for time travel stories and the paradoxes they involve. I teethed on Heinlein's "All You Zombies" and "By His Bootstraps". Those being deterministic timelines, i.e. inviable loops that cannot be changed. There's actually a semi-scientific theory called the Novikov Self Consistency Principle where it is impossible to change the timeline. Every attempt to do so, creates the same results. In TERMINATOR 3 the timeline is compared to water running downhill. Judgment Day could be postponed, like changing the waters path, but it inevitably flowed down the same. 12 MONKEYS is another example, where the central reason for going back in time could not be changed. MILLENIUM and STAR TREK: VOYAGER "Relativity" deal with temporal incursions by simulating as much as possible what happened so the time line is minimally disrupted. As long as most everyone thinks things happened as they were supposed to, and mimics those results, those events are less likely to affect the future. THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT posits that the timeline is so delicate, that even a modest change in a seemingly insignificant element can dramatically and uncontrollably affect the singular timeline. But maybe the most interesting idea as it applies to FRINGE, is that any disruption of the past produces a BRANCH in the timeline, or an alternative timeline at that point (another universe), where both the original and the new continue on separately. That in fact could actually explain the origin of FRINGE's two universes, though who created them remains a mystery. (The earliest anomaly is no one over there knowing Andrew Jackson, which I think is way too early. I prefer to think that up until about 1960, both universes have a shared history. Maybe Jackson was just expunged from history books for treating Indians so mean?) So, NOW there would be a third "timeverse" where Peter never existed and both sub-universes are intact. BUT, also our original universe is still out there, still crumbling, where Olivia is dead, Peter still lives, AND that he could in theory be rescued before it's all gone! Thank you, thank you very much. So, did every single incursion back and forth create another branch timeverse? I dunno. But, since I'm making this up, I'd say it would have to be something major to do that, like what Peter did last night. Otherwise, it just DEGRADES the affected timeverse instead. Hence the Machine, an "instrument of Creation OR Destruction". Gawd, I'm good. Writers, I just gave you a whole logical rationale for your series, that fits all the pieces together, that launches Season 4, and that brings back Peter. You're welcome.

Anonymous said...

I love a show that feeds my brain rather than turning it to mush!!

Elizabeth Fragello said...

Fringe is without a doubt the best show on television. I love how the cliffhanger endings leave me yearning for more. I love how this show makes me think in ways I've never thought before. I love how I feel connected to the characters on the show, so much so, that I almost broke out in tears when 1.Olivia died, and 2.Peter disappeared from existance. Seeing Walter locked up was heart-wrenching, as well. I hope Fringe lasts for many, many seasons. Keep up the epic work!

Anonymous said...

So, Peter never existed.

At the end, when 2 Walters were talking ( After Peter vanish'd ) we can see, that there is no Machine. But the question is, why BOlivia ( from other universe ) is still in white prison cloths. If Peter never existed, she never met peter = Walter never told her about other universe.

THats just amazing, looking forward for answers.

Anonymous said...

Fringeviewere here: Thanks for your comment, Roberto. You have put it nicely and clearly. I agree with you in that there must be another variant or alternate universe out there in which Olivia died, Peter survived, and the Earth is on its way to destruction. But then, according to these theories, there's an alternate to every choice we make, so the number of "alternate universes" is virtually infinite.

Now, for narrative purposes, I imagine the writers will do one of these things: first, bring Peter back as a new character who may sweep Olivia off her feet (and have a similar effect on Faux, perhaps). Second, bring him back in the shape of a vision or hallucination, like he was for Olivia in the early episodes of S3. Last, have Walter re-do some of his actions in the past in such a way that he has a son again, and then, voilĂ , back comes Peter as himself.

Oh, well... the best we can do now is just wait. Yours-truly is going to rewatch the good, ole S1 and S2 of "Fringe." And if come September and they have not done much about bringing Peter back as himself, then... there's always "The X-Files" (being over, the show won't change as much as this one).

Anonymous said...

Bravo Roberto!!!! And Anonymous @ 7/5 11:13. Now the whole series is actually becoming a Fringe Event. Great job exec producers. The story just gets better and better. Although I will miss Peter very much in case he's not coming back.

Anonymous said...

@Roberto: I wouldn`t say that `till 60s they shared the same history.

I`d say they shared history `till 1945. But I think that they never had the cold war over there. Cause during the cold war both sides were producing weapons of mass destruction in case that one side would be the first to strike. So the progress and new technologies were made mainly for the military goals. After 1989 we experienced a boom in "civilian" technologies. in last 20 years technology got to a very high level in a very short time period. 10 years ago we had cell phones in a size of a brick with no wifi, no multicolor screen :D and now we have it. In 10 years.

But over there they were on our level like 30 years ago (or more). But I think this doesn`t make a difference to the overall story, does it?

Bluesboy

Anonymous said...

WOW.

I'm definitely signed up for Season Four.

Anonymous said...

Ok if Peter never exsisted then what about Peters son from the other Olivia???? Does he not exsist too then???

Ziggy said...

@Bluesboy

"I`d say they shared history `till 1945."

We know they diverge at least as far back as 1937. The Hindenburg disaster. Didn't happen in Walternate's universe. Hence the blimp industry still thriving.

Anonymous said...

Ziggy: thanks for reminding. So why speculate? Why don`t we just admit that they don`t know Jackson cause he wasn`t a president.

Bluesboy

E said...

Wow,i'm totally WTF just happened.Fringe is simply the best show!
mind-blown too much, atm,but: so is Peter 'never existed' then why would Walter cross-over in the first place? And then why did\would\will(damn timetravel :P) Walter create the machine and send it back in time,i mean if he knew it's gonna destroy both universe?I know that they were supposed to be able to see what will happen in the future and prevent it,but then does that mean that the red!verse would've gotten destroyed anyway...
ok,i need to see the episode an other 10 times :P

Anonymous said...

well,I hope Peter is not gone ...because I will not look at the show anymore .
Love too much Peter and Walter they are a pair LOL
Love the show :O)

Roberto said...

I can live with a divergence back to the 30's. Just seems to me that back to the early 1800's would be more change than what we viewed. Again, I used some of writers' license to say only major divergences (likely just two we know of, including last night) would create another separate timeverse. Smaller divergences would just damage the continuum, not break it loose completely. Didn't mean to sound too presumptuous, this is just expanding on a theme that's been used elsewhere and even slightly speculated on by FRINGE bloggers. Just fleshed it out a bit. But amazed myself how it all fit so well. This deconstruction kind of stemmed from being disappointed with this episode. I was prepared for something unexpected, just don't make the past season a 'dream'. I thought it strayed awfully close to just that. Plus, logically, the plot seemed to want its timeline both ways, a closed loop and a variable one. Walter could not avoid sending the machine back to prehistory, but Peter could be 'erased' somehow, along with a substantial part of two seasons' timeline that depended upon him. Obviously, if they don't remember him, then there is no Henry Dunham or war between universes or Fringe Div. It really is a complete reset and comes perilously close to stomping on the audience's good will and commitment, similar to TWIN PEAKS' disastrous dream finale. The episode also suffered from time constraints. This should have in fact been a two hour finale. Walter sending the machine in pieces back to the past kind of just came out of the blue with no transition. It also creates a plot hole as to how the machine got back into the Altverse's past. Peter as a construct of the Observers was a pretty big leap along with him disappearing. If they were trying to fix a problem he created, why construct him in the first place? It was all very confusing. Plus Josh Jackson fans must have wanted to throw something at the screen. So, we're left with this major disturbing reset that, whether intended or not, really kind of flips off the core audience, or an almost equally disturbing rework to set it back. My scheme was one way to try to salvage some of what was tossed away. If they do rescue Peter from our old universe, he will be able to recount the missing history erased by the machine. Of course not knowing he even exists could be a problem, but if anyone can grab some memories from the original timeline, it's Olivia. They frankly, IMHO, have made a pretty big mess of the series and I'm sure alienated some fans. "Loosie, you got sum splainin' to do." BTW, just as TWIN PEAKS season finale gutted any chance of Season 2, nothing is really written in stone with FRINGE. If it returns without a decent core audience, it might still be a goner. Promises don't mean much when bleeding cash. I'm sure the low finale numbers were not encouraging. A roller coaster is a great ride, as long as it stays on the tracks. "Sure everything's fine, then comes the yelling and screaming..."

Anonymous said...

They diverged in the 1930s. Didn't the other world not have an FBI?

Anonymous said...

It had one but Bizarroyles mentioned it hadn't been around for 30yrs I recall?

Anonymous said...

Since there's two of every character what if the other Peter exists?

Anonymous said...

John Noble is an amazing actor. If the Emmys keep snubbing him, there is NO justice in Hollywood. I choked up watching him taste his beloved Red Vines for the first time in years. And the funeral scene...fahgeddaboudid. There was one line of dialog from Peter, but that's all that was needed. The expressions of sorrow from the characters said it best. Peter WILL return for next season. It's how he'll be introduced that'll be the question. So much for the PO shippers. They're probably still screaming.

Anonymous said...

Kudos to the Golden Triad - Goldsman, Pinkner and Wyman. They raised the bar with this episode. Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps it's too early to speculate, but I think Peter will have resumed his role as Leader of the First People, millions of years ago. Will Sam Weiss be his right hand man?

Anonymous said...

I figured if Peter was permanently out of the show, I'd probably stop watching.

Nick said...

First and foremost, this is coming from someone who used to love this show...

Not sure how everyone is raving after such a disappointing finale. I'm so angry I can't even think straight. They built a killer show over the first two seasons and have slowly destroyed it throughout the third with nonsensical red herrings and half brained plot twists.

Forget the fact that a telekinetic Olivia who could catch a falling box that catches her by surprise would probably be able to knock off Walternate's aim enough so as to not catch a bullet between the eyes (remember how she's a badass federal agent? no way her reflexes don't save her there!), the unceremonious ending they gave a major character was simply unforgivable. They get a tiny bit of credit for undoing it in the last five minutes by pulling a herky-jerky time travel move out of their collective writer's colon, but really that's what's been wrong with this entire season. It feels like they've run out of good ideas and have resorted to the "colon pull" for the entire season three storyline, falling back on the tired sci-fi stand by of "the universe is being torn apart so anything goes! Two super dense materials can be added together to make handicap kids fly! Hooray!"

How anyone can keep watching this show is beyond me. I'm surprised I even made it to the finale. Abrams has a real gift for weaving the beginning of a mythology, but always, ALWAYS fails miserably (cf. Alias and Lost) when it comes to tying it together to form a coherent narrative with any sort of pace or catharsis. I'm out for season four, and will never ever get mixed up with Abrams again. To everyone who doesn't care about a well told story or compelling characters, I sincerely hope you enjoy a fourth season full of BS relics from the past-future and painfully weak Shyamalan-like twists come finale time. I cannot believe that this is how they rewarded faithful viewers and the network after getting renewed for another season. So angry!

Anonymous said...

@Nick
Wow, I kind of agree with you. I have been so frustrated this season but kept watching because I WANT TO LOVE THE SHOW. I thought something must be wrong with me because I just never felt like the show was "right." After watching the finale, I was feeling rather disappointed and let down, and again started thinking it just must be me because of all of the wonderful, deep, highbrow reviews it is getting. Now I feel better. I will tune in next season, but possibly not for long.

Eric Ekstrand said...

Okay so here is our theory on what is going on.
Peter said he created a "bridge" between the two worlds. It is possible that this "bridge" is a third alternate universe or just a bubble to allow the two sides to be in the same time and space. That being said, the observations above about the "machine" being gone and Peter not existing and the fact that no-one else even realize he just disappeared in front of their eyes leads me to believe that Peter is in "our" universe controlling this "bubble" and that his presence does not exist in the bubble thus them not knowing him. Once they fix the problem or he cant hold the bubble together, they will both go back to their own universes and all will be back to "normal"!!! My wife and I just watched the episode and were happy up to the point where Peter disappeared and the Observers said he didn't exist. Love the show, and this was definitely a WTF moment. We both looked at each other and although we didn't say it, we were both thinking WTF!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Nick,

Olivia couldn't use her telekinetic powers with Walternate, because Peter wasn't with her. Peter was present in the lab, when she pulled that demonstration with the box. Walternate knew this and that's why he tricked Peter into meeting his projection far away from Olivia.

As for the unceremonious ending for a major character, if you mean Peter, you are right, but if you mean Olivia, who got a splendid burial, who was grieved and who got a great score, you are way out of your mark. Peter is the one, who got killed off and forgotten.

Anonymous said...

I’m disappointed at some of the Fringe fans above. If you are watching this show because you support an actor or an actress, then you are not really a fan of the show.

I watch this show because of the storyline, the characters and the fantastic acting by the team.

I truly hope the Fringe producers would not write a character in/out because of what some of the audiences want.

So, don’t be silly, Peter would not disappear from the show. Sure, he is suffering some consequences of change the course of Time. Yin and Yang – what goes around, comes around. Destiny is written but shall not be told like Peter did. Who is he to save the world and change destiny? Have we not learnt anything from ‘Firefly’? First, Walter was playing God, now Peter. (Peter, I still love you to bits!)

Does this episode remind you of Back to the Future?

We can’t fix something by destroying it. We have to really fix it. I can’t wait to see all the questions answered:
- What kind of bridge did he build?
- Where is he now?
- Are the two Olivia going to have a face off?

Anonymous said...

THE BEST FRINGE EPISODE EVER!!!! It doesn't get any better than this. No other show is at this level of writing (except Stargate Universe, which coincidently has a big alternate universe/time travel arc happening). I can't wait until season 4!

Anonymous said...

@Nick

You are absolutely right in everything you said. I'm so, so disappointed by this last season. Very lazy writing indeed. I'm so pissed off. The worst ting is that everything was ok until the second half of season 3. Then everything suddenly went to peaces. What happened? Why don't the creators take some more time to build a credible storyline instead of rushing into a whole bunch of BS?? Bad dialogue!! For the first time the series has bad dialogue! No. Hire some new writers, or I'm out for season 4.

Anonymous said...

WHY DID YOU KILL OFF PETER?! Season 4 is going to be a disaster now!! Every time a show try to bring back a main character the story changes in a 360 direction which throws the audiences off and ultimately made their efforts of watching the previous season pointless!! Thus, you will lose audience and you're gonna get the show canceled! End of story.

The only reason I watched the show is because i value their consistency, which gives me a reason to watch every episode. Now they're going to be stuck pulling plots out of their butt to bring things back on track.(E.g Heroes)

Anonymous said...

Did you people even read the article? I can`t believe that someone who read the article still thinks they kiiled Peter off.

And I don`t get that how can someone think that the writers would kill off any main character without a proper good bye. It`s just rediculous to think that. He`ll be back that`s for sure.

And because we can`t imagine how they`re gonna bring him back it doesn`t mean it`s gonna be bad. The thing is that this show is different than anything I`ve ever seen on TV before. So they`re not gonna write it like if this was an ordinary sci-fi show. And I`m sure that the show is gonna be awesome till the end. Just don`t judge it right now because they started a new chapter with those last 3 minutes of the finale. We have to wait how it`s gonna pay off. But I`m sure it`s gonna be awesome.

And because it`s Abrams created show, it doesn`t mean it`s gonna end like LOST. Fringe is nothing like LOST. People are just looking for LOST parallels and if you look for something really hard you find it. But it doesn`t mean you`re right

Anonymous said...

I feel slightly disappointed in the finale. For weeks, we have been watching Fringe, talking about it... trying to figure out the "Big Answers" or at least have some resolution to the problems they have been working on for weeks. This finale ending on on cliffhanger, was unimpressive. When a season ends.. there needs to be conflict resolution, and a new problem. For example, The ending of season 2 was great, Olivia switching out, classic. Old problem solved, new problem for next season. It was a good transition.. This ending kinda seems like Season 4 is gonna be season 3 and a half. I also understand that the producers are working toward a SERIES-FINALE goal at some point. At least setting up some stuff for the future (basic example is when Olivia's consciousness was trapped with Bell's and she had a vision of the man who would kill her)..

blah blah blah, not a terrible ending to a good season.. just missing any aspect of a conclusion.

Anonymous said...

Fantastic show!!!

Kudos to John Noble for some out of this world acting.

mojo said...

Folks are assuming that the two universes we know about are 'ours' and 'not-ours' and one spawned from the other. We can't be sure of that.

We do know of several major differences. Obviously 911 never happened in Walternate's universe. Andrew Jackson never existed. And the Hindenberg disaster probably never happened, which I deduce from the fact that the other universe still uses dirigibles, which fell out of fashion here after Hindenberg.

I think I agree with the speculation of several folks here. Walter was wrong, it is not possible to repair a damaged timeline. All that can be done is to use the mysterious machine to travel back in time to a point before the catastrophe that caused the damage, and somehow prevent it. This action spawns another copy. Thus we now have at least 4 timelines that exist...the new two in which folks will work together to avoid the catastrophe (and in which Peter does not exist but Olivia is alive) and the original two, which seem to be headed for a very messy dead end but where Peter is alive.

What has never made sense to me, though, is this: Why would two copies continue to parallel each other? Once they are independent, what makes the same people meet and marry, what makes the same sperm win the race to the egg so there are twins in both places? Is this just something we are suppose to pretend works out 'somehow' (as a plot device) or are the watchers making sure of this stuff?

Anonymous said...

What about the cartoon episode where there was the dude that sabotaged the blimp (with X on his shirt)..At the end of that episode, when Olivia and Peter are talking, he says "I don't get who the guy in the shirt was" and 'Liv says "That's the man that's gonna kill me!!!"..explain that!

Anonymous said...

Bleh.

This show is falling into a tired sinkhole. I really hope the explanations are incredible and also make me eat my feet, but I sincerely doubt it'll happen.

No one wants to believe Fringe will go the way of Lost, but you know what? No one wanted to believe they knew the ending to Lost after it's first episode either.

Face it, Abrams sets these shows up to be 'sooo cool' and then leaves the writing/direction to amateurs circle-jerking each other in toke sessions. I want to love this show and I really did for a while, but the plot is so frayed at this point that any attempts to wind things together will be, as Nick stated, 'colon-pulled'.

Shame really. I just hope those actors get really sweet gigs when Fringe ends in BS.

Anonymous said...

@ The angry people...

I'm really not seeing the BS. I'm not. Maybe it was because after season 1 of Lost, I just stopped watching because the story was so convoluted and ridiculous that I couldn't be bothered.

Maybe it's because, unlike Lost, this show doesn't ever leave me feeling like I have wasted my time watching it.

Maybe it's because of little gems like Subject 13, and how if you don't watch seasons 1 and 2, the episode won't mean as much. Image being Olivia and pouring your heart out to Walter (in actuality Walternet), and hoping he will protect you from you abusive father... only to have him act as if you never said a thing, and have him send you back to the bastard later on. Olivia saved Bolivia's childhood and payed for it, and you get to KNOW that firsthand. How many shows do that? HAVE done that?

Maybe it's because season 3 has made me think more to understand the story, as opposed to Lost where they try to force-feed you the facts because frankly they feel you are too stupid to understand the story in the first place.

You know, honestly, if you REALLY are that tired of this kind of show, and this kind of writing, go watch "Dancing With the Stars" or "NJ Housewives." No writers, barely any production value, and plenty of stuff to gossip about as opposed to discuss in an intelligent manner.

You guys have no evidence to support you estimations about season 4. The only evidence that is apparent is you obvious bias about the producers, the writers, and your previous experience with, of all the piles of crap, LOST.

This isn't Lost.

I prefer to hope that season 4 will pleasantly surprise me with how well the writers bring everything together, because they have already done that several times in the past IN THIS SHOW. You can go ahead and be cynical instead.

If your cynicism makes you happy, you will be the first human beings in the history of humankind to have achieved such a state through that attitude. I recommend you go outside, stop watching TV, and stop whining so loudly with your false sense of entitlement, and you may just be less jaded the next time you watch a show that doesn't conform to your internal bias of "perfection."

Or not. I can't say I hold out much more hope for you than you do for season 4.

Gorjess said...

I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. I CAN NOT WAIT FOR SEASON 4!!!

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous May 9, 2011 8:20 AM

Couldn`t agree more. Fringe isn`t LOST. And I`m positive it won`t turn out like LOST.

And it sickens me that people have always something to dislike about it: in the first season it was an X-Files ripp off, in the third season it was soap opera and now it`s on its LOST way to hell...

If you don`t like it, don`t watch it. I don`t regret the time I spent watching it and I`m excited about the season 4. And writers are very smart. Pinkner and Wyman are the two geniuses. I trust them that they won`t srew up. But it`s my opinion and when you don`t like the show, don`t watch it. Is that a problem?

Bluesboy

Anonymous said...

This is the best serial that I have ever seen. I just can wait the season 4. Good for them.

Anonymous said...

Lol it's not that Fringe is lost. That's not it at all. It's going to suffer from the same clouded-over plot disease that Lost suffered from. The writers have no idea where they are going. Many episodes of Fringe have been really truly excellent, like Subject 13, as has been stated. But a lot of episodes are just not so special. And there are so many plot holes and ignored ideas that no longer hold relevance to the rest of the plot. I for one see misery.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous May 9, 2011 8:28 PM

Just because they didn`t answer every question it doesn`t mean they won`t. So the plot holes are not plot holes because the answers will come, you just have to wait. Why would anyone watch if they knew everything?

For example the Amber. It was introduced in the 3rd episode in the first season and they fully explained it only recently. And finding mistakes is not gonna make you happier. Because nothing is perfect so deal with it.

ana paula said...

Peter can not get out of the series.
He and Olivia Walter solving cases together are the heart and soul of the show.
He has to be in every episode.
The couple Peter and Olivia has to continue.

anthony said...

just want to say How much I love it. I got my brother and girlfriend into the show and now they love it! The writers are pinnacle, and I hope with all my heart that they get the chance to end the story on their terms as well, without threat of cancellation. It is art and deserves that respect and honor. As long as us Fringe fans continue to watch, it will be.

Anonymous said...

I had to Google just to find out if that was the season finale or the series fanale.

Good job! I cannot wait till next year.

Anonymous said...

i´m also a bit disappointment from the 3rd season. the pace was not right. some episodes felt like thrown in. the finale doesnt cut the cake for me. the ending felt rushed and overblown.

Hannah said...

What about Bolivia's baby??

miker said...

The plot feels frayed. As a viewer the show continually leaves me asking "What the heck is going on?" And not in a good way.

Fringe's season ending felt like a shark jump. The plot is starting to feel frayed as someone above stated. I remember watching lost and having the same feeling -- of hope that all these cool ideas could be tied up and resolved in a timely and satisfying manner. ==== But my gut knows they cant.

People called the two head creative guys from lost geniuses too -- Constructive criticism doesn't mean giving a free handjob to the writing teams ego. Imean - the episodes seem engineered to keep me going. Its an addiction - I got hooked but now i realize its lacking in substance but i cant quit because i want to find out how it ends.

Wanting closure is different than wanting more. You shouldnt be watching a show just to find out how the hell they are going to tie the crazy mess they made together. Why? Because: you will be dissapointed.

Just because they didn`t answer every question it doesn't mean they won`t. To that my reply is that
1: i said that to other people when LOST was on.
2: There are to many questions. At this point every idea i have heard regarding how it could pull together is a 'colon pull' -
3: Foreshadowing isnt foreshadowing when your figuring out the story as you go.
4: I shouldn't be watching a tv show just for closure of the plot threads.

P.M. said...

Very nice show!!
Here is my interpretation :-)
I believe that it's Walternate that built the machine in the first place... (He knows where are the part and how it works)... For a not yet explained reason, he send it in the past... but first he made sure that only his universe will be able to use this weapon... and he makes it "fit" for his son Peter (since Peter only survives in his world)...
Poor Walternate, an observer change his plan by distracting him in the past just when he could save his son... you know the rest... Peter change universe and actually use the weapon against Walternate... which lead Walter realizing that one universe cannot live without the other so he sent back the machine in the past (as did Walternate previously) but this time he also sent Peter's future consciousness... And this time Peter do not make the same mistake... he changes the future... he unites the two universe with a "corridor" then convince everyone to work together... the moment he suceed creates the time paradox... if they don't continue the war, then the machine will never be built... and Peter will never be involved (although he can still be alive)... So to solve the paradox (or just a part of it) the machine together with Peter have to disappear from consciousness...
But then if Peter never did it, how are the universes united in everyone consciousness? maybe the answer will come in season 4... :-)

Chunz said...

Definitely, the biggest WTF moment was when Peter gets yanked out of the Universe. It's going to be interesting to see what Pinkner and Wyman are going to do to bring him back into the story. Maybe Peter being dressed as an observer for the prank new auditioning for Peter's role has something to do with it. Another semi WTF paradoxical moment is how the creation of the MACHINE is developed. Peter said that Walter sent the MACHINE back creating a paradox seeing as no one actually makes the MACHINE, it's just sent back in an endless loop, stuck in 1 section of the time stream. I was a bit disappointed in how the finale started off though. With no background, they just thrust you into the future. I had no idea what was happening until the second half of the show.

About what P.M. said about Walternate creating the machine, I believe that it is impossible seeing as he had no idea about the different universes or that Peter died in the one specifically next to his until after Peter gets kidnapped and Olivia gives him her picture diary.

Another thing. I hate how this show is compared to Lost. I mean, even though J.J. Abrams did create the show, he wrote only a total of 6 episodes; 5 in the first season and 1 in the second. And I sincerely doubt that Pinkner and Wyman have no clue where they are going with the series. The shows do link up in key spots, just enough to see that they really are connecting these plots to a conclusion, however far away that is, but are vague enough that you don't know what's going to happen next and want to see more. And reading through the comments; Nick, who posted on May 8, 2011 12:09 AM said that "Forget the fact that a telekinetic Olivia who could catch a falling box that catches her by surprise would probably be able to knock off Walternate's aim enough so as to not catch a bullet between the eyes (remember how she's a badass federal agent? no way her reflexes don't save her there!)..." Ya so anytime you want (practice as much as you want. Really I mean it, take your time to become as close to a "badass Federal agent" as possible) call me up so I can watch you dodge a bullet from point blank aimed between your eyes. It would certainly be interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

The show is GREAT but if they dont bring back Peter regulary in first 5 episodes I feel they will have a lot of angry fans, who will quit watching the show. Me included

Jonas said...

I asked this on another post as well...

If the "First People" were actulually Fringe Team members hiding the machine in the past, then why is the writing on the manuscripts so illegible, almost like alien writing?

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