tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post65690600427614536..comments2024-01-10T09:46:59.423-05:00Comments on Fringe Television - Fan Site for the FOX TV Series Fringe: Watercooler:A Few Questions About Fringe's FlashbackFringehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01716374413979844944noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-27547344684255255712011-03-02T07:54:56.797-05:002011-03-02T07:54:56.797-05:00Dennis
But see, how was Olivia supposed to know t...Dennis<br /><br />But see, how was Olivia supposed to know that the man she came to IRAQ for would be the same guy she meant when she was a kid though? Peter never did state his last name, remember. And let's be fair, too, Olivia RARELY talks about her past, same with Peter so we can't really know if they don't "remember". <br /><br />Not to mention, I'm sure Peter and Olivia never did keep in touch and even if Olivia does have a photographic memory, how could she have known that little "Peter" would be "Peter Bishop"? <br /><br />It has been 25 years you know.45https://www.blogger.com/profile/12615022666718086936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-27361033600950850862011-03-01T17:10:36.884-05:002011-03-01T17:10:36.884-05:00Wow, the Amber series by Zelazny?
It's been ye...Wow, the Amber series by Zelazny?<br />It's been years since I've heard anyone mention that. :)fringeobsessedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02818528329131089151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-45288196275194747592011-03-01T15:52:24.707-05:002011-03-01T15:52:24.707-05:00Hmmm...The Pattern. Many references to The Patter...Hmmm...The Pattern. Many references to The Pattern in Abrams work. I wonder if he was a fan of the "Nine Princes in Amber" series by Roger Zelazny? The Amber Pattern was a perilous walk that traced the web-like design from the outer lines to the inner circle, where the travelers were then transported through many worlds and realities. Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-59056091769375202132011-03-01T13:30:20.920-05:002011-03-01T13:30:20.920-05:00It is easy enough to say that you might forget som...It is easy enough to say that you might forget some boy you met once as a kid. But when you have a moment so unforgettable that you draw a picture about it, it seems a little more than that. Plus, our grown up Olivia has a photographic memory, so there must be something that was done to her (and Peter) to make them forget.Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05071751415790930551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-30657189783137154432011-03-01T12:55:16.786-05:002011-03-01T12:55:16.786-05:00First People like the Krell from FORBIDDEN PLANET?...First People like the Krell from FORBIDDEN PLANET?Robertonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-46629233395799249002011-03-01T12:50:25.295-05:002011-03-01T12:50:25.295-05:00Lots of questions/problems raised this episode. Th...Lots of questions/problems raised this episode. They need another whole episode really to explain how we got from there to the pilot. Walternate should have been relieved to see that whoever took Peter cured him and likely was taking good care of him. When does the damage start in the Altverse? 6 months after PETER, and nothing. Maybe Walter only weakened the fabric and Bell is the one who broke it. Something has to happen to Olive to lose her memory, just forgetting isn't enough. It could be some trauma, like the cortexiphan, but that really wasn't brought out. There's certainly enough sources. A good one might be accidentally killing Carla with her pyrokinesis. But the more I think on it, Carla was the assistant at the lab. He had the other, non physicist, assistant in Florida. I think there's something fishy with the former though. Maybe Bell torched the lab after operating on Walter to destroy his research, Carla maybe rushing back in for some reason and perishing. Maybe it was a Walternate attack. ... Peter might have just forgot about Olive, but you'd think re-visiting the daycare in JACKSONVILLE would have jogged his memory. Given Walter's brain surgery and his admission of memory loss, he just might not remember Olive/Pete meeting.... I agree, that was a second fire, but the real questions arise right after. When Olive saw her friend dead, did she transport to the tulip field. It seems to be implied from the smoldering tulips next to her. That teleporting there created/carried heat. It seems to be a set up for the next line where she says she's cooled off now and it starts snowing. Pete (young Peter) asked if she imagined that too. She gives a slight smile and we are left with the impression she did. Well, that reading basically makes Olive a god who can do whatever she can think of, any time she wants. Certainly 'cosmic evolution' of a character has been used before, but I'd rather not see that with Olivia, just yet. Maybe this is what the First People were like, they were just humans who could tap into their entire brains... Another reading would say Olive did not teleport to the tulips, that she ran there after the fire. That makes more sense given that her absence wasn't noticed right away. But then why were the tulips smoldering? She had to cool off running in that weather. The snow flakes might have just begun on their own. It was snowing when the episode started. If they are not making Olive into a god, then there are some continuity issues that are troubling. Remember, transiting is not teleporting. You come through at the same coordinates in both universes. They need to take the same care with continuity they have all along. Let's not become another LOST, where they just make it up as they go or go off in tangents that never amount to anything (The Pattern?).Robertonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-3240882401266859012011-03-01T12:06:17.816-05:002011-03-01T12:06:17.816-05:00So 'Olive' is a firestarter. She started o...So 'Olive' is a firestarter. She started one in pre-school and again in elementary school? The time discrepancy going unexplained isn't right!<br />I want to see the kids being injected with the Cortexiphan; how many treatments did they get over how man-years? Were the injections into the brain (cerebral cortex), spinal column (very painful) or arm like the old polio shots?<br />If Olivia and Peter together can 'create' things together then they can 'create' the healing of the 2 universes and save both of them. Problem solved.<br />I just hope they don't lose track of things and forget other stories they introduced us to in season 1 and 2.Matthew Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07564546155986482730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-47678687735853970562011-03-01T00:23:29.323-05:002011-03-01T00:23:29.323-05:001) The video was different. Olivia was 3 in the v...1) The video was different. Olivia was 3 in the video we saw in season 1. In this episode she was 7 (second fire)<br /><br />2) Carla died in 1991, Olivia would have been around 13. Not sure where she was at that age. At some point she was boarding school.<br /><br />3) I don't remember a lot of things from when I was 7. Of course, might be because of Walter that Peter forgot about Olivia. (Repression?)<br /><br />4) Not sure about the snow. Coincidence, thematic effect, or Cortexiphan ability is up for debate.<br /><br />5) Walter had parts of his brain removed and spent 2 decades in a mental institute. What's left of his memory should be hazy, especially such small matters.<br /><br />6) Orla Brady MUST return!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-10055665869512541842011-02-28T23:25:21.552-05:002011-02-28T23:25:21.552-05:00What if, given the unseen-before hazy quality of t...What if, given the unseen-before hazy quality of this episode, it is a third 'verse?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-55290557411906122312011-02-28T23:01:00.872-05:002011-02-28T23:01:00.872-05:00I thought that William Bell had performed a three-...I thought that William Bell had performed a three-for-one brain surgery special that included the kids and Walter, but now I'm not so sure. Could the universes be part of some gigantic mind that is dreaming everything up? I'm waiting to be surprised by the upcoming turn of events.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-89416672280568472622011-02-28T21:56:40.235-05:002011-02-28T21:56:40.235-05:00Yeah I'm also wondering if they will address t...Yeah I'm also wondering if they will address their past meeting in a future episode. Or if Walter will spill the beans that he remembers them two meeting. Or perhaps he just wants to see how things play out between them? Plus the betamax video thing did kind of bug me, so maybe it will be a different video. But very interesting questions indeed.Damian Garciahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08198887569390638068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-76432497298020272202011-02-28T21:41:00.464-05:002011-02-28T21:41:00.464-05:00What a awesome review by Damien! Orla Brady she wa...What a awesome review by Damien! Orla Brady she was magnificent especially with John Noble who is such a class actor. It definitely raised questions that are being discussed on the fox community forum which Damien has addressed I also was confused with the young Olivia and Peter as the look around 12 years old but some insightful fringe fans raised the point that they were 7/8 years old and it would have been hard with that age to get actors acting thus type of content. I had to watch the episode 2 times to fully understand how many shows can boast that as the more you watch the episode the more thought provoking. Well done fringe!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com