tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post460431785282164546..comments2024-01-10T09:46:59.423-05:00Comments on Fringe Television - Fan Site for the FOX TV Series Fringe: Fringe Review: The Last Sam WeissFringehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01716374413979844944noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-27448120623061080272011-05-02T22:59:52.443-04:002011-05-02T22:59:52.443-04:00Let's do some math:
Sam's rock bowling wa...Let's do some math:<br /><br />Sam's rock bowling was an intentional shout-out to <i>The Flintstones.</i><br /><br />The vibrating water in the plastic cup came from <i>Jurassic Park.</i><br /><br />The "crowbar" was in the Native American Wing.<br /><br />The banner outside the museum advertised <i>The Human Story.</i><br /><br />Flintstones/Jurassic/Native/Humans = First People.<br /><br />Where do you suppose we're all headed?Count Screwloosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00198518952654618266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-70648198111023461372011-05-02T21:21:18.082-04:002011-05-02T21:21:18.082-04:00Interesting that peter woke up from sedation think...Interesting that peter woke up from sedation thinking he was on the other side, and then went on to look for a lucky coin. All these references to the other side are meant to show that Peter's loyalties are split between the two universes. We don't know exactly what will happen when he gets in the machine because we don't know to which side he is loyal. In the end, I think the machine doesn't do what he commands, but instead will create a universe compatible with his deep desires. Possibly, this merges the two universes. Maybe it just recreates the blue one into a universe suited for him. Dying to find out what happens.playyourpartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-68405128395719732402011-05-02T01:03:50.738-04:002011-05-02T01:03:50.738-04:00Kate said...
Loved the review! Quick question tho...<b>Kate</b> said...<br /><br /><i>Loved the review! Quick question though, when was St. Arthelais mentioned? I seem to have missed that reference...</i><br /><br />It was the name of the cemetery where the Weiss Vault was and they went to get the lockbox with the crowbar manuscript. When they showed the vault, there was the normal location 3D lettering.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-75363133092314183102011-05-01T22:41:30.882-04:002011-05-01T22:41:30.882-04:00Loved the review! Quick question though, when was ...Loved the review! Quick question though, when was St. Arthelais mentioned? I seem to have missed that reference...Katenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-46863404085414371072011-05-01T22:40:06.820-04:002011-05-01T22:40:06.820-04:00Ana, My thought about that flash back was the same...Ana, My thought about that flash back was the same. It can't be Peter's cause that was suppose to be a figment of Olivia's mind as it was fighting the drugs that Walternate had given her on the other side.<br />Like Jb said above, it could be just an error as it happens quite a bit on the show with continuity within a scene shot NOT STORY (I know I'm overly picky with this- but it's there) <br />SO, I was thinking if it was on purpose they did show Olivia and Peter looking at eachother so maybe it was 'Shared' visions- after all they would be the same if it involves the other.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-3764298656655203902011-05-01T22:36:04.037-04:002011-05-01T22:36:04.037-04:00jb, after rewatching the final minutes i think you...jb, after rewatching the final minutes i think you might be right about Peter getting some of Olivia's memories... this might not have any meaning but one of the images showed Peter glowing ... and the second flash which contained these images happened after he was already in contact with the machine. <br /><br />I just love that everything is always connected and have a deeper meaning. No matter how many possiblities I come up with I'm always wrong and i love it! Ok.. somethings i'm right but it's not that often =)Ananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-60157650446657303342011-05-01T21:08:21.489-04:002011-05-01T21:08:21.489-04:00Ana, I noticed that too regard that image in Peter...Ana, I noticed that too regard that image in Peter's memoris / flashbacks. I saw a twitter comment from JH Wyman that said those images were Peter's and important moments for him... That one as you said isn't his. <br /><br />Perhaps just a small error of inclusion, perhaps an intentional inclusion for more themed 'merging' between P and O. Perhaps just a red herring. <br /><br />My questions tend towards - why did he get the coin? Did the machine draw out more memories that he has shut away since we know that he didn't remember the coin in season 1. (although his hand did immediately by flipping it down the fingers - muscle memory, I always thought that was a brilliantly implied). And if the machine did draw out those memories, did it also give him others that 'might have been' from the other side had he not been taken? Because the machine has a connection to Olivia, does that mean he has been given some of hers? I have no answers, only questions.<br /><br />I loved Alias, and LOST and there are many times when events and dialogue echos those. I don't find it draws away from what is happening in this FringeWorld though. The space time continuum theme has been evident from Fringe's beginning so it fits. And stories of relationships and all human behaviour are in everything and are not exclusive to shows gone before. <br /><br />The writers can keep doing what they are doing because the ride is fantastic in my mind :)jbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-29144942717350588862011-05-01T20:57:45.914-04:002011-05-01T20:57:45.914-04:00I'm not sure I think the series has gone off t...I'm not sure I think the series has gone off the boil. I did not like the "scanner darkly" type episode. It was kind of pointless as you knew that Olivia was going to be saved once Bell could not find a body. Ive enjoyed fringe but the last 2 episodes has sent me to sleep. The special effects have been poor ( Mean not showing the rift effects but only the sheep) The last episode was just lighting which no way relates to style of the last 2 seasons. They need to get back to the fringe of season 1 and 2 and really work on the script. Too much going on and it feels rushed. Aka A concerned fan<br />ps. Fringe has been my favourite show since BSG: Caprica was cancelledAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-64334948853963142922011-05-01T20:40:29.761-04:002011-05-01T20:40:29.761-04:00Scott is right, if we don't have long arc myst...Scott is right, if we don't have long arc mysteries/questions then it becomes just another episodic show where each week or so is solved by the next ep or so. <br /><br />I don't think Fringe is going to use time like Lost. The finale in Lost showed that there were worlds where time is of no consequence-eternity. Sure there will be similarities at times. Whereas Fringe will likely use time as in a space/time continium--like Fringe Science. <br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-6647518173198245632011-05-01T19:54:55.748-04:002011-05-01T19:54:55.748-04:00Richard, I think it is an astute observation (pun ...Richard, I think it is an astute observation (pun intended)that the observers are the ones that created the manuscript that shows the pictures of Peter and Olivia. That also makes it a record and not a prophesy.<br /><br />I completely get all the concern folks have about not having plot questions or themes answered before opening up large new ones. But I don't have any concern about it becoming Lost or Alias. Franky, Alias, Lost and Fringe have been my favorite three shows of the past decade. Especially Lost and Fringe have given us these great communities like this site that fans can engage each other in the prediction game.<br /><br />I think Fringe has done the best job of providing answers to questions, while still leaving large questions unanwered, which in my opinion, makes the mystery compelling and drives the passionate engagement from fans that we see. The level of investment in the plot and in the characters continues to be refreshing. I too have confidence in the writers and producers to give us a few answers this Friday and open up new paradigms to drive our curiousity all Summer.Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-43148664996224209312011-05-01T19:00:43.814-04:002011-05-01T19:00:43.814-04:00I gotta agree with anonymous here, Fringe has lite...I gotta agree with anonymous here, Fringe has literally embraced LOST storytelling with this latest development, hell, it seems like deja vu to me when I see a season 3 finale being about a flashforward....remember lost season 3 finale?? We gotta go back kate, we gotta go back!! They just kept adding new additions to the story without answering the previous threads, kept introducing new characters without doing justice to the current ones.....people have still not understood present time walternate, fauxlivia etc. and now we have a season finale with a future version(3rd version technically) of the characters??? and not to mention some new characters as well(grown up ella and Mr. X, who kills Olivia).....honestly speaking, this season was seriously neither here, nor there, i.e. it did not have good standalones, neither did it answer anything significant mythology wise as well......and season 3 was the same season where LOST lost its way and just went haywire......The "Others" were reduced to a joke, Ben Linus (who I think is Sam Weiss equivalent,lol), Jack, John Locke, all were made to look like fools....and oh! A BUNCH of big big mytho questions left unanswered.....so Fringe....please come up with a magic in the finale and prove me wrong or atleast get ur act right in season 4, otherwise an embarrassment rating of less than 1.0 is anyway not too far away (they are currently doing 1.2)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-26384596241997713802011-05-01T18:52:50.855-04:002011-05-01T18:52:50.855-04:00I'm still wondering if Peter's amnesia rea...I'm still wondering if Peter's amnesia really WAS temporary. It was so abrupt, and although it was the vehicle to get him to NYC, it seemed a lot of trouble in plot twist for just ten minutes worth of screen time. Also, he didn't say, "I love you" back to Olivia - instead gave her a "oh, that's sweet of you" smile. Although, his life in "our" universe did flash before his eyes in that montage... can't wait for next week!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-81092422507597355132011-05-01T17:56:22.079-04:002011-05-01T17:56:22.079-04:00It would be great to see the screen shots of every...It would be great to see the screen shots of everything running through Peter's mind before he stepped into the machine. I would imagine that they were pretty intentional about what they decided to use there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-64283826893304829792011-05-01T17:42:52.004-04:002011-05-01T17:42:52.004-04:00I don't think Olivia needing Peter for the tel...I don't think Olivia needing Peter for the telekenesis is because of her lack of being her own woman. She needed him in season 2 for similar--bending. What is more likely is their linkage in another way such as metaphysically/transhumanism--terms used during shows intro every Friday. <br /><br />I thought Olivia's manipulating the machine was almost superhero like. To turn off a menacing machine in another world with your mind is serious capability. Jacob had to touch the people physically. <br /><br />I thought it was maybe the best ep of all 3 seasons. <br /><br />The manuscripts that Weiss 1 found are likely prepared by the time traveling observers, otherwhise how do ancient manuscripts identify Peter and Olivia so completely. Of course it could be another group of time travelers. <br /><br />RichardAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-79803324024302413372011-05-01T17:06:21.404-04:002011-05-01T17:06:21.404-04:00ian, in the second flash back they showed at least...ian, in the second flash back they showed at least two kisses... one when she rescued Peter and told him that he belonged with her and another when she was sitting in Bolivia's bed, Peter appeared and told her that she knew why she didn't die that day cuz she didn't know the protocol... anyway she said that he wasn't real and he said that real was a matter of perception and that he was there and was a part of her that she had to hold on to... then he said other things and kissed her...then Frank came back.. this all happen in the third episode of this season that took place only in the red universe and peter couldn't have remembered that cuz he wasn't there!Ananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-42085770283383597462011-05-01T16:33:09.443-04:002011-05-01T16:33:09.443-04:00sorry, guys, but i must disagree i thought this w...sorry, guys, but i must disagree i thought this was another low point for fringe. two *terrible* episodes in a row, taking us closer and closer to LOST territory. lots of dangling "big story" threads (that will have no satisfying resolution), and characters pumped up just to provide some kind of (illusory! cheap!) narrative closure. i really hate sam weiss now: he's turned into jacob, or something. and now we have time-travel, too?!?<br /><br />i am not a fringe hater. i was unhappy with season one, but season two kicked ass, and (until that last animated episode) i was really enjoying season three. but i give it one more episode (the finale) to demonstrate that they know what they're doing before i pull the plug on the series.<br /><br />i don't want another LOST. nothing could be less interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-51620628392142819622011-05-01T16:11:49.796-04:002011-05-01T16:11:49.796-04:00Next season could revisit another son against fath...Next season could revisit another son against father theme - Peter vs Henry. Henry's mind could have been warped if he was raised by Gramps Walternate, if Faux didn't survive into the future.<br /><br />Since the show is now tinkering with time travel, any of the main characters can die in this next episode, in present time. Does not mean the death will be permanent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-45488939004738477092011-05-01T15:21:23.574-04:002011-05-01T15:21:23.574-04:00During the flashback when Olivia and Peter kissed ...During the flashback when Olivia and Peter kissed on the other side, it wasn't in Olivia's head, that happened when she convinced him to return to the other universe because he belonged with her. I understand where Ana got confused, just rewatch the season 2 finale.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-77857077178350870942011-05-01T14:34:11.912-04:002011-05-01T14:34:11.912-04:00I really enjoed the episode and i'm certainly ...I really enjoed the episode and i'm certainly looking forward to watch the season finale, but during Peter's flash back or whatever that was he 'remembered' somenthing that he possibly couldn't... he remembered kissing Olivia in the other side when she was confused about who she was... but that kiss only happened in her head... so if anyone has any idea about why that scene was put there please share...Ananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-23205575350032511792011-05-01T12:02:50.762-04:002011-05-01T12:02:50.762-04:00Really solid recap Josie, thanks!
I agree with th...Really solid recap Josie, thanks!<br /><br />I agree with the comments above about Sam Weiss, and was relieved that for now he has proved himself trustworthy...but having that anagram in the back of the mind does make all that happened more compelling. And I thought the line to the curator about being a Patron member was priceless as you noted. In the preview we saw the observers standing around looking at the Statue of Liberty. I half expect Sam to come walking up and taking his place among the twelve.<br /><br />I also wonder about the functionality of the BBM in the blue world with that part missing that Altlivia stole for Walternate. How does that missing piece affect how the machine works, or doesn't. Maybe that is why Sam said the machine is acting different than it should.<br /><br />I agree with your assessment of Olivia's present state. One way to really test her reliance upon Peter will be what she does, or doesn't, with him stuck in the machine and she having no choice except to fight alone. Perhaps even having to face her worst fear and go back to the alternate universe. Or having to work with Altlivia together to save both worlds and Peter. Boy, that would be great.Scottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-27085265740222410042011-05-01T09:34:14.507-04:002011-05-01T09:34:14.507-04:00Great job, Josie!!
I especially liked the way that...Great job, Josie!!<br />I especially liked the way that Sam Weiss was revealed as some sort of Observer himself -- right after Broyles told him he was "not going" on the ride to LIberty Island, the camera cut to a shot of Sam standing on the shore, looking at the Statue of Liberty, with the Newton's cradle in the foreground, with lightning bolts zipping through the sky.....VERY interesting. And before that, in Walter's lab, he was upset, Olivia asked him about what, & he replied: "I was not supposed to get involved". The ban against intervention, as spelled out by September in "There's more than one of everything".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-4931558599124155622011-05-01T09:24:36.146-04:002011-05-01T09:24:36.146-04:00Fringe is the best series of all time.
The fox ha...Fringe is the best series of all time.<br /> The fox has to change its day of release.<br /> The series is fantastic.Dra Fringenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-788645746622659643.post-35541756555492916192011-05-01T06:45:03.409-04:002011-05-01T06:45:03.409-04:00Great review! Agree with everything you said .Great review! Agree with everything you said .Enoreply@blogger.com